bkarnik
04-26 09:38 AM
bkam,
I PRECISLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SS, MEDICARE VERSUS TAXES.I was just mocking at the ridiculousness of your demands. Hey, if you think that the government agencies are treating legal immigrants badly and we are being "cheated and treated like retards", may be all of us should move to a country where the laws are more flexible, aah… like India. How often have you been on a forum in your home country lobbying for injustices being rendered to citizens, none probably. Just because we are in a country where there is a small chance for a group of people like ourselves in the IV have the privilege to have our voices heard does not mean we ask for the sun. Do you think in a economy like this with high gas prices, the war, and not to mention the ailing social security system and everything else asking the government to stop taking SS tax and Medicare from non- immigrant workers is going to fly, I DON’T THINK SO. And not only that we will end up looking like a bunch of guys with outrageous demands.
So all I am saying is the issue is not SS or Medicare or entry date being the PD, but it is MORE IMMIGRANT VISA NUMBERS. I think we have lost our focus after the bill was shot down in the senate. We have just ONE demand if I am not mistaken, and I think the core team will agree with me on this and that is to ease retrogression by having more visa numbers in the pool for countries like India and China and that should be our only demand.
Although on first reading I was agreeing with the person who indicated that deducting SS and Medicare from non-immigrants does not make sense, lets look at it from another perspective... most of us would agree that more than 50 to 60% of non-immigrants or dual intent immigrants (read H1 visas for the purpose of this thread) are trying to obtain their permanent residency. Now, if the SS and Medicare are not deducted while you are on a H1B (boy, the employers would love this because as per law they have to match your deduction dollar for dollar) and you get your green card, you would be essentially starting with an empty kitty (i.e. the benefits that you would have accrued over the 9-10 years that it took you to get your GC are zero. Now, whose loss is that? I think, the better alternative would be the proposal by Sen. Kyle/Sen. Cornyn where they advocate that a temporary worker who has to go back will get the money when he leaves. If you don't and get your GC done, then the money goes into the SS/Medicare kitty and that way nobody loses.:)
Khnmbd is correct, if we demand not paying SS and Medicare, we probably stand to alienate ourselves from the mainstream. The very reason we are asked to pay SS/Medicare is because the H1B/L1 visas are considered to be dual-intent visas. That is the reason why students on F1 visa are exempt from paying SS/Medicare. Hope this clarifies a few issues and results in cooling down the temperatures:D
I PRECISLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SS, MEDICARE VERSUS TAXES.I was just mocking at the ridiculousness of your demands. Hey, if you think that the government agencies are treating legal immigrants badly and we are being "cheated and treated like retards", may be all of us should move to a country where the laws are more flexible, aah… like India. How often have you been on a forum in your home country lobbying for injustices being rendered to citizens, none probably. Just because we are in a country where there is a small chance for a group of people like ourselves in the IV have the privilege to have our voices heard does not mean we ask for the sun. Do you think in a economy like this with high gas prices, the war, and not to mention the ailing social security system and everything else asking the government to stop taking SS tax and Medicare from non- immigrant workers is going to fly, I DON’T THINK SO. And not only that we will end up looking like a bunch of guys with outrageous demands.
So all I am saying is the issue is not SS or Medicare or entry date being the PD, but it is MORE IMMIGRANT VISA NUMBERS. I think we have lost our focus after the bill was shot down in the senate. We have just ONE demand if I am not mistaken, and I think the core team will agree with me on this and that is to ease retrogression by having more visa numbers in the pool for countries like India and China and that should be our only demand.
Although on first reading I was agreeing with the person who indicated that deducting SS and Medicare from non-immigrants does not make sense, lets look at it from another perspective... most of us would agree that more than 50 to 60% of non-immigrants or dual intent immigrants (read H1 visas for the purpose of this thread) are trying to obtain their permanent residency. Now, if the SS and Medicare are not deducted while you are on a H1B (boy, the employers would love this because as per law they have to match your deduction dollar for dollar) and you get your green card, you would be essentially starting with an empty kitty (i.e. the benefits that you would have accrued over the 9-10 years that it took you to get your GC are zero. Now, whose loss is that? I think, the better alternative would be the proposal by Sen. Kyle/Sen. Cornyn where they advocate that a temporary worker who has to go back will get the money when he leaves. If you don't and get your GC done, then the money goes into the SS/Medicare kitty and that way nobody loses.:)
Khnmbd is correct, if we demand not paying SS and Medicare, we probably stand to alienate ourselves from the mainstream. The very reason we are asked to pay SS/Medicare is because the H1B/L1 visas are considered to be dual-intent visas. That is the reason why students on F1 visa are exempt from paying SS/Medicare. Hope this clarifies a few issues and results in cooling down the temperatures:D
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alterego
09-14 06:30 PM
Does anyone know how to contact NPR. They have done good pieces about this in the past.
amitjoey
07-18 04:58 PM
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Thanks a lot.
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pkjena
07-06 02:00 PM
Here are some of the stats from Mathew Oh's website:
According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June 30 and July 1 (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend in a period of less than one month. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month. Unconformed sources indicate that they processed and approved (?) a substantial number of applications on Sunday, July 1, exhausting the EB numbers by July 1 and making the EB number unavailable not from July 1 but from July 2, 2007. It is interesting that even before the legal team initiates any discovery, the truth starts coming out of the cabinet a bit by bit.
I have a question:
Total VISA available for the year = 140,000
USICS approved till May 31 = 66,426
USICS approved Jun 1- Jun 29 = 40,000
USICS approved Jun 30 - July 1 = 25,000
So VISAs still available 140,000 - 66,426 - 40,000 - 25,000 = 8574
So why are they Unavailable on 2nd Jjuly 2007?
According to the State Department, from October 1, 2006 through May 30, 2007, the USCIS requested and was authorized the total EB visa numbers of 66,426. Between June 1 and the first few days of July (?), the USCIS requested and was authorized over 60,000 EB visa numbers, in approximately one month. Since it has been made clear by the USCIS that during the last weekend of June 30 and July 1 (2 days) the USCIS approved 25,000 EB 485 applications, apparently over 40,000 visa numbers were requested and authorized before the weekend in a period of less than one month. Obviously the 60,000 plus cases must thus have been approved (?) in one month. Unconformed sources indicate that they processed and approved (?) a substantial number of applications on Sunday, July 1, exhausting the EB numbers by July 1 and making the EB number unavailable not from July 1 but from July 2, 2007. It is interesting that even before the legal team initiates any discovery, the truth starts coming out of the cabinet a bit by bit.
I have a question:
Total VISA available for the year = 140,000
USICS approved till May 31 = 66,426
USICS approved Jun 1- Jun 29 = 40,000
USICS approved Jun 30 - July 1 = 25,000
So VISAs still available 140,000 - 66,426 - 40,000 - 25,000 = 8574
So why are they Unavailable on 2nd Jjuly 2007?
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sunty
09-13 04:27 PM
1) Pardon me for being a fence sitter till now.......I did take part in flower campaign etc..but I don't know what happened to me after that...I just stoped caring about this whole GC thing, even though I have filed 485 etc...I know it's gonna take a long long time to get it....but enough of depressing thoughts...nothing can be achieved being depressed...so here I go...
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Green.Tech
06-11 10:46 AM
Let's see who the first HERO will be to break the pattern of 2 days of zero contributions...
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07-06 08:51 AM
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indio0617
03-09 11:22 AM
hi indio
which cap on Nurse are they talking about. Is it the EB cap or H1B cap?
They voted YES to include amendment to eliminate EB visa cap for Nurses (India, PHI)
Will send the Nursing comm into raptures if it finall passes into law. Strong indications that it will make it. Of course that will have major impact on EB3 numbers, I guess
which cap on Nurse are they talking about. Is it the EB cap or H1B cap?
They voted YES to include amendment to eliminate EB visa cap for Nurses (India, PHI)
Will send the Nursing comm into raptures if it finall passes into law. Strong indications that it will make it. Of course that will have major impact on EB3 numbers, I guess
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bluekayal
08-23 11:02 AM
Thank you to everyone who read the USCIS document and did not press the panic button. The memo talks about a 2 step process....for most of you I don't see how it affects your GC dreams...relax...they will be fulfilled. No sweat...(or convince me otherwise...after all I did get the I-140 exceptional ability in the art or sciences..etc..without labor certification.)
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evildead
10-22 08:13 AM
you could have sent a porting request letter along with the i140 application
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orangutan
09-30 10:04 PM
Probably those cars are of the people (GC applicants) who came to count the TSC employees cars.:D:D:D
Yea..I saw many at parking lot but all junk cars.:p
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lazycis
11-20 10:26 PM
I am not 100% sure but if person has not completed 6 years, he can continue till he completes 6 years. If person has already crossed 6 years limit, H1 extension or transfer does not stand valid without any underlying pending AOS. This is what RG termed as opposite to conventional internet wisdom. Also, the law requires to provide a notice to cancel EAD, but not to cancel H1B. Correct me if I am wrong!
Ron is absolutely right regarding H1 extensions past 6 years! If I-485 is denied, the extension cannot be granted (we all know that USCIS may still approve it, but if they follow AC21 guidance, they should not). As for cancelling H1, the law does require USCIS to provide notice in one case: if it determines that H1 holder is no longer working for the sponsoring employer. We already discussed automatic revocation scenarios.
See also this explanation from Fragomen (I know, I know, they are bad, but read anyway):
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/8cda1a2a9589440c8525746d00574cf9?OpenDocument
Ron is absolutely right regarding H1 extensions past 6 years! If I-485 is denied, the extension cannot be granted (we all know that USCIS may still approve it, but if they follow AC21 guidance, they should not). As for cancelling H1, the law does require USCIS to provide notice in one case: if it determines that H1 holder is no longer working for the sponsoring employer. We already discussed automatic revocation scenarios.
See also this explanation from Fragomen (I know, I know, they are bad, but read anyway):
http://pubweb.fdbl.com/news1.nsf/9abe5d703b986cff86256e310080943a/8cda1a2a9589440c8525746d00574cf9?OpenDocument
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mallu
03-31 09:55 PM
.... We have NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER to ask for that.
There may not be rights, but certainly immigrants can request law makers to deal with a dysfunctional organization like USCIS. And USCIS can be dragged to court via WOM and most of the time judges understand the immigrant situation and serve justice.
There may not be rights, but certainly immigrants can request law makers to deal with a dysfunctional organization like USCIS. And USCIS can be dragged to court via WOM and most of the time judges understand the immigrant situation and serve justice.
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Green.Tech
06-02 04:46 PM
Wake up people!
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spicy_guy
08-12 12:05 PM
Also, how clearly he says, its for Money, and nothing else!
So we are easy target to mint money and we tolerate everything. wow!
So we are easy target to mint money and we tolerate everything. wow!
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diptam
08-11 05:10 PM
hpandey,
I do not buy this argument because how come NSC is approving peoples I-140 filed concurrently in July-Aug 2007 or even non-concurrently filed as late as Oct 2007? How come Eb2 is moving so fast in NSC ?
How come Eb2 and Eb3 for Non-concurrent filers in TSC is moving so fast ?
They have taken some deliberate steps internally not to process certain applications - which is Unfair and Illegal from a USCIS FIFO perspective and that is what we are trying to Protest professionally.
Let me know what you think !
Looks like the USCIS had been busy with the citizenship applications before the Nov elections and hence it has been slow approving I-140's and GC's. Now that it is coming to an end we might see our applications moving forward. Maybe from Nov onwards it would be better.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/08/us_tackles_citi.html
I do not buy this argument because how come NSC is approving peoples I-140 filed concurrently in July-Aug 2007 or even non-concurrently filed as late as Oct 2007? How come Eb2 is moving so fast in NSC ?
How come Eb2 and Eb3 for Non-concurrent filers in TSC is moving so fast ?
They have taken some deliberate steps internally not to process certain applications - which is Unfair and Illegal from a USCIS FIFO perspective and that is what we are trying to Protest professionally.
Let me know what you think !
Looks like the USCIS had been busy with the citizenship applications before the Nov elections and hence it has been slow approving I-140's and GC's. Now that it is coming to an end we might see our applications moving forward. Maybe from Nov onwards it would be better.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/08/us_tackles_citi.html
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pappu
08-08 10:20 AM
Everyone,
I have recieved only one op-ed from yabadaba . Several people had promised. This is a reminder to everyone and anyone new on this forum.
For those who want to know what an op-ed is pls visit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-Ed
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-Ed
thanks
I have recieved only one op-ed from yabadaba . Several people had promised. This is a reminder to everyone and anyone new on this forum.
For those who want to know what an op-ed is pls visit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-Ed
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-Ed
thanks
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sdrblr
03-03 01:41 PM
what you guys think.
Will this economy slow down and people returing back to there motherland have any effects on PD?
How many of the returning people would call USCIS to cancel their 485s? I see almost zero.
Will this economy slow down and people returing back to there motherland have any effects on PD?
How many of the returning people would call USCIS to cancel their 485s? I see almost zero.
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ItIsNotFunny
11-21 05:08 PM
You are correct Chandu. I confirmed with attorney based on some discussion going on in other thread that made me concerned. H1B and GC are complete independent for status.
I think you are wrong ( I just think)
H1b and AOS are two differnt things and are not coupled. A yearly h1b extension beyond 6 years is given if you have a Labor pending for more than an year or pending 140 more than one year and a 3 year h1b extension is granted if you have an approved 140.
So the basis of getting a h1b extension or transfer is 140 and not AOS. One may not have even applied for AOS but can get h1 extensions as long as the above conditions are satisfied.
This is based on what I know. Thats why Attorneys prefer h1b compared to EAd because h1b essentially gives time for you to change jobs/apply for new GC petition in case existing petition has tons of issues etc...
I think you are wrong ( I just think)
H1b and AOS are two differnt things and are not coupled. A yearly h1b extension beyond 6 years is given if you have a Labor pending for more than an year or pending 140 more than one year and a 3 year h1b extension is granted if you have an approved 140.
So the basis of getting a h1b extension or transfer is 140 and not AOS. One may not have even applied for AOS but can get h1 extensions as long as the above conditions are satisfied.
This is based on what I know. Thats why Attorneys prefer h1b compared to EAd because h1b essentially gives time for you to change jobs/apply for new GC petition in case existing petition has tons of issues etc...
ags123
02-19 10:10 PM
a) The obvious, in April spill over happens. India Jumped from U to 1dec 03 in April08
b) in 2008 April India Eb2 tied with China Eb2 as India Eb2 was unavailable in March 2008
given the regulation of giving spillover by earliest date India Eb2 held China Eb2 at the 1Dec03 date for the month of April 2008
c) This year has not needed any pd backward movement for India. This is unlike 2008 where it went to Jan02 and Jan00 to U. This means India Quota itself is still being used and yet we are at 15 Feb 04.
Please let me know if you see any more interesting things in this.
I Ch
Oct 2007 1-Apr-04 1-Jan-06
Nov 2007 1-Apr-04 1-Jan-06
Dec 2007 1-Jan-02 1-Jan-03
Jan 2008 1-Jan-00 1-Jan-03
Feb 2008 U 1-Jan-03
Mar 2008 U 1-Dec-03
Apr 2008 1-Dec-03 1-Dec-03
May 2008 1-Jan-04 1-Jan-04
Jun 2008 1-Apr-04 1-Apr-04
Jul 2008 1-Apr-04 1-Apr-04
Aug 2008 1-Jun-06 1-Jun-06
Sep 2008 1-Aug-06 1-Aug-06
Oct 2008 1-Apr-03 1-Apr-04
Nov 2008 1-Jun-03 1-Jun-04
Dec 2008 1-Jun-03 1-Jun-04
Jan 2009 1-Jul-03 8-Jul-04
Feb 2009 1-Jan-04 1-Jan-05
Mar 2009 15-Feb-04 15-Feb-05
Apr 2009
May 2009
Jun 2009
Jul 2009
Aug 2009
Sep 2009
b) in 2008 April India Eb2 tied with China Eb2 as India Eb2 was unavailable in March 2008
given the regulation of giving spillover by earliest date India Eb2 held China Eb2 at the 1Dec03 date for the month of April 2008
c) This year has not needed any pd backward movement for India. This is unlike 2008 where it went to Jan02 and Jan00 to U. This means India Quota itself is still being used and yet we are at 15 Feb 04.
Please let me know if you see any more interesting things in this.
I Ch
Oct 2007 1-Apr-04 1-Jan-06
Nov 2007 1-Apr-04 1-Jan-06
Dec 2007 1-Jan-02 1-Jan-03
Jan 2008 1-Jan-00 1-Jan-03
Feb 2008 U 1-Jan-03
Mar 2008 U 1-Dec-03
Apr 2008 1-Dec-03 1-Dec-03
May 2008 1-Jan-04 1-Jan-04
Jun 2008 1-Apr-04 1-Apr-04
Jul 2008 1-Apr-04 1-Apr-04
Aug 2008 1-Jun-06 1-Jun-06
Sep 2008 1-Aug-06 1-Aug-06
Oct 2008 1-Apr-03 1-Apr-04
Nov 2008 1-Jun-03 1-Jun-04
Dec 2008 1-Jun-03 1-Jun-04
Jan 2009 1-Jul-03 8-Jul-04
Feb 2009 1-Jan-04 1-Jan-05
Mar 2009 15-Feb-04 15-Feb-05
Apr 2009
May 2009
Jun 2009
Jul 2009
Aug 2009
Sep 2009
gcwatchdog
11-20 12:43 PM
Thank you for u'r information, now I got a clear picture.
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